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you're locked into inception radio

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you're tuned in to night vision radio

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exposing the truth one secret at a time

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prepare yourself as we explore the

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shadow worlds of suppressed history

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secret knowledge forbidden religion and

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shine a light on the conspiracies to

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welcome to night vision radio

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hey everyone so glad to be here tonight

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I tell you it's been a crazy day here in

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Southern California as we sort of broke

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our drought today with with lots of

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wonderful rain I kind of broke my

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backside as I left the house rushing out

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today to pick up one of my kids and my

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front step was like super slippery we're

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just not used to having wet steps and I

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tell you I just my feet went right out

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from under me and it's a good thing I

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have some natural cushioning there

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because i think i would be much more

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hurt than I ended up being but I want

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you to know I'm working through the pain

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tonight I've already treated myself with

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some secret traditional family remedies

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you know namely a pan of brownies that

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usually does the trick of course I got

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my coffee press here as usual so i got

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my jab sitting right here so i'm ready

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to go I'm excited about tonight's show

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and I'm glad I've got such a wonderful

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guest because i intend to sort of sit

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back and let him school us tonight on

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some ancient secrets before i get

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started really quickly i want to let

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everyone know that i've also been

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working under duress from my tour

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partner Gary Evans who is cracking the

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whip on me to get my itinerary done for

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the tour of southwest France in in

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September I'm going to be taking tours

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in September one be over to the Provence

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area around nice and around that area

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and around st. maximum Sainte Baume

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around those legendary areas of Mary

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Magdalene and the Knights Templar and

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I'm going to do that to her with Gloria

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Amendola a lot of you people know Gloria

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she's a great friend of night vision and

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a regular guest regular returning guest

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also I'm going to be doing a separate

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tour to the rental chateau region you

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all know about my love for that area

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with Gary Evans and that if I get on the

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ball tonight after we got off the

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are in finish that itinerary that should

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be posted very very shortly and I

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appreciate all you've already booked up

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for that even prior to getting an

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itinerary and it's going to be a great

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great place i mean you know of course

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we'll be seeing mr. Henry Lincoln our

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good friend and co-author of Holy Blood

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Holy Grail author of the holy place and

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key to the sacred pattern about that

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very region and also I'm sure we'll be

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meeting up with Tim Wallace Murphy

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another best-selling author on sort of

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the bloodline families the disc lozini

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the Knights Templar and we also may be

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meeting up in crossing paths with Gloria

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who may come on over to Renly Chateau

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with us and give a presentation to our

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tour group as well I know a lot of you

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have enjoyed her events and the tours

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that she's done and the ones that she

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and I have done together so be looking

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for that information to be coming out

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soon we really appreciate all your

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interest you're interested in the show

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appreciate all the people who recommend

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guests for me for this show I'd like to

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you have a recommended guest shoot it to

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me shoot it over to inception network if

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you want and they'll get it right to me

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oh also I want to say thank you for all

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those of you this week friended me on

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help a little bit further some things

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that we could use some help with to help

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wheels turning and you know maybe you

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can help maybe you can't but in any case

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we certainly appreciate your interest in

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your listenership in the show now who

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that's all the housekeeping items I have

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for today my guest tonight is as I said

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he's going to educate us on some secret

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ancient knowledge in fact the forbidden

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knowledge of Enoch which

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is the subject and the title of his very

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first book but certainly not his first

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foray into research in this area in fact

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he's got a real family connection so

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tonight I would like to welcome our

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jayvon Bruni thanks so much rj for

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joining us tonight oh it's great to be

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here thanks for having me on the show

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well it's great to have you you know I

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just love the subject matter of your

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book and all the esoteric knowledge we

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can get I think we should really just

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lap it up now having said that you know

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a lot of us are not experts in esoterica

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and we're not experts in secret

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societies or these so-called bloodline

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families now we've called your you've

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called your book the forbidden knowledge

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of Enoch and I'd like to get into just

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who is or who was Enoch but first tell

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us a little bit about RJ and how you got

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into this and just what that family

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connection might be well I've always

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kind of been interested in secret

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societies called paranormal activity

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things like that I spent my early years

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growing up in southeastern Arizona which

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was really kind of unique because I was

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allowed to or was exposed to a lot of

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Indian legends and you know it's a lot

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of the Old West so you always have myths

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and ghost stories and treasure stories

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and it was just always just incredibly

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fascinating to me and then for myself

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personally as I grew up my family is

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kind of unique is I was always told when

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I was growing up that I came from a

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Masonic family but I was never really

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given any real information on it um my

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immediate family my brother's sister and

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parents didn't seem to take too much

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interest or have anything to do with it

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but my grandparents and great uncles and

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every other person I ever met that I was

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related to had something to do with it

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and I was always really drawn and

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curious about it um especially when

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nobody would speak very much to me about

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it and being a young kid and even as

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I've grown older um has just been

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something that kind of drives you crazy

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because you just want to know what was

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going on and then as I've gotten older

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family members have passed away and I've

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been given numerous Masonic items estou

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tarek items family histories and stories

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that I never knew about growing up and

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it that really just kind of drove

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sparked my interest even deeper into it

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all right I think we know obviously when

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something you know you start looking

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into something and you sort of run into

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some barriers and it seems like that

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there are some secrets involved that

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makes you want to know about it even

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more that makes it all the more

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attractive but certainly having the

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family connection was probably a real

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you know driving force for you as well I

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can imagine you know I think you and I

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had a brief conversation earlier today

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where I told you that you know my sort

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of foray into this material was in

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nineteen eighty-two when I read the book

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Holy Blood Holy Grail which really

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challenged the way you know that I had

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been taught and brought up and I found

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it very exciting yet kind of scary you

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know because I'm thinking okay what if

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the way that I was taught was really

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right and I'm going to go straight to

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hell for looking into all this and then

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I sort of reasoned with myself and I

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said okay well you know if there is a

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God and God created us then he also

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created my mind or she created my mind

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you know how can I be held you know to

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task for using my mind just to question

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and I'm being honest in my seeking so I

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think a lot of us sort of get to that

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place where we're sort of seeking and it

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seems like you sort of started that

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journey rather early on in your life

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compared to a lot of us who sort of come

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into it in you know a young adulthood

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yeah I would agree with that like I said

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Seaver society is in general just

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fascinating and most people find them

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fascinating because the big question is

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is what's so secret about it what are

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they hiding what is the mystery that

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they protect and that's one of the

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things that I think kind of drives

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people crazy and at the same time it

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generates conspiracy theories and some

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pretty outlandish ideas floating around

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out there I mean you only have to get on

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the net for a few minutes to see that

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well that's really wild well so once you

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started you know your studies and you

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know how did you get on this enoch path

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um actually that's kind of a funny

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little story about five years ago i

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managed to get a my hands on an actual

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copy of a translation of the Book of

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Enoch and had the opportunity to sit

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down and read it and like most other

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people as I was reading it started

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wondering and questioning why it wasn't

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in the Bible because it seemed to answer

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a lot of questions and fill in a lot of

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gaps and I kept reading it and it does

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get a little repetitive and then as I

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got closer to the end i came across

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what's known as the dream vision it's

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also called the prophecy the animals and

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this little story essentially nobody

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reads for me it stopped me in my tracks

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it is an allegorical account of the

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biblical story told with Anna

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and they said it's it's kind of an odd

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little story when you first read it and

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all the theologians all the experts

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everybody that's read it agrees that

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it's just the biblical story total

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animals but this story is actually much

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more important this story is basically

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what my entire book is about and that is

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unlocking the dream vision and the

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symbolism in this story which in turn

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kind of by accident unlocks the whole

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story that makes up the esoteric

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religion and you know I'm sure you must

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have found it you know a common thread

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weaving throughout not only time but

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even cultures that all connect back to

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this sort of ancient knowledge and

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information but who was Enoch I mean can

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you first tell us um you know for those

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of us who may not know who is Enoch and

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why do we care today well Enoch to me is

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one of the most unique individuals in

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the judeo-christian tradition he has

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spoken of in the Old and New Testaments

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he in the Old Testament he's recorded as

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one of the patriarchs he is the son of

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Jared the father of Methuselah and he's

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more famously known as the

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great-grandfather of Noah he's also

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traditionally thought never to have died

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because God came and took him in the

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book of Genesis we're told that he lived

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six hundred three hundred and sixty-five

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years he walked with God and then he was

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not for God took him and that in by

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itself to me was one of the fascinating

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things that first attracted me to Enoch

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uh because in the tradition he seems to

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be the only person that God Himself came

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and personally took and he doesn't seem

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to do this with anybody else and that's

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right by itself is really kind of

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strange within the tradition um outside

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of that there's not too much known about

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Enoch um he everything else we do know

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pretty much comes from The Book of Enoch

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itself which in that he he tells us that

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he was a scribe and that he was not

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personally by the host of heaven which

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is what he called the angels and that

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the angels were ordered by the Ancient

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of Days who is normally hell he referred

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to God and he was personally taught how

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to do all this by them the other unique

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thing about Ian acha especially in the

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book Enoch when I was first reading it

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and other people have pointed this out

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is the way it's written because unlike

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most other traditional religious texts

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it's written in the first person you

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know I'm on instantly refers to the he

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goes someplace i see that i talked to

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the age of the days i saw this i worked

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there and he also has a real personal

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one-on-one relationship with all of

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these games oh no excuse me did you when

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did what did you first get a copy of the

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book of enoch and start to study it what

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year was about five years ago Oh five

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years ago yeah I guess it was sort of

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available but I up until a few years ago

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or several years ago it was really

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difficult to get a copy or at least an

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English translation copyright of the

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Book of Enoch isn't that true yeah it

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really really was a nowadays with the

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internet that problem solved yeah my

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favorite sites sacred texts com yes The

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Book of Enoch complete English

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translation and they also have a host

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the all kinds of other old books things

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that you normally can't get anymore or

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you have to have special access to a

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library or something most of them have

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been scanned and now you can read them

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online well the vast majority of our

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free oh that's amazing so it has things

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like what like the Nagamani library and

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the Dead Sea Scrolls or things like that

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or in all just an even more obscure

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Texas were magic or astronaut or ancient

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history cabal ism just about everything

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you can think of oh that's a good thing

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to know sacred text girl calm yeah that

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sounds really good thanks for sharing

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that with us I'm not gonna burn I'm

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going to be on there myself definitely

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checking that out now if you don't mind

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I normally don't ask questions from the

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listeners in the first part of the show

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but it just so happens that we're

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talking about the identity of Enoch and

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I had two questions that were emailed to

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me by a listener who coincidentally I

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ordered your book today after hearing

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you were going to be on the show and

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giving me a call and she said can I

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saved you a couple questions let it cook

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said of course you can so she said I

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just ordered his book and she said do

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you believe that Enoch is Atlas the king

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of Atlantis and I guess she's sourcing

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Peter Dawkins um that's kind of

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interesting there is a legend of Enoch

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actually there's a whole host of legends

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that surround Enoch and that's one of

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the big things within the esoteric

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religion or religious belief system

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because Enoch is rather important and

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within a number of those legends he is

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thought to be associated with atlas hi

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right that's nicer trying to find it

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right now that particular legend and I

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guess atlas was uh is identified as the

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same Egyptian god I tomb or teaming oh

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ok now i have here it's the early greek

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Christians that related you not to Atlas

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and to the Egyptian Hermes what oh that

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was brings me to my next question

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because she asked additionally is it the

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Egyptian god Thoth which is of course

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hermes is is those right right I'm as

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many things about for you Enoch is that

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he is associated with atlas he's

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associated with hermes which is

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associated with paw and he's always

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associated with knowledge and especially

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divine knowledge in all of the legends

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and even in the judeo-christian

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tradition it's he always has some type

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of special information that was given to

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him by the God by God himself or by the

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host of heaven hmm interesting i got the

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chat room a twitter here I guess twitter

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is not the right word to use for the

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chat room because they're not tweeting

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Neutron says that he has a chart that

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shows Enoch had a daughter named am

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Zahra that married Noah and then in

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parentheses know I was inked Enki's son

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and then der Hoff says isn't there a

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list of fallen angels that he not

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provides so I guess yes he does for the

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first question those that comes out of

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the legends of Enoch within the

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tradition we don't know any specific

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information about any offspring all we

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know is that he had sons and daughters

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besides his son Methuselah who they

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married or how they interacted there is

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some things related to the Taliban and

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also the Kabbalah systems but those are

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still within kind of the legendary realm

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mm-hmm and lost my train of thought

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there for the second question the second

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question was the list of fallen angels

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this abides yes he does in fact Enoch is

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actually really The Book of Enoch is the

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source material for the judeo-christian

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tradition or Lucifer in the fallen

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angels uh that they made a deal that

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came to Mount Hermon and he gives a list

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of leaders and then gives a list of

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basically what each one of these

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individuals taught mankind and corrupted

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mankind hmmm that's really interesting

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how does it sort of jive with the

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ancient aliens zecharia sitchin type

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material well I kind of tie that in

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because I present this information as a

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thought experiment and I start with the

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ancient alien Theory mm-hmm and mainly

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start focusing on the event that's

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recorded as the fall of Lucifer and his

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angels and point out like you were

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saying before that's connected to other

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mythologies this is also the same story

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as zoos coming to Earth and then the

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Olympians following following behind him

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this is raw coming to Earth this is the

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exact same story that's recorded over

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and over and over again of a being

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that's normally referred to as a bringer

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of light which the lighted usually

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to his knowledge to earth to live among

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mankind yeah I think that it sort of

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correlates with the Osiris story too yes

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it does and that's kind of one of the

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big key points about the dream vision is

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once you start understanding the

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symbolism that's recorded in the story

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and how it relates to the Bible and then

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to other mythologies you can start

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seeing a connection that you're unaware

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of before and that's one of the things

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that the esto Turk does to be able to

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hide this information well you're sure

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that's what it's all about they all

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called the hidden and I guess hidden in

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some ways you know well for for a lot of

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reasons and some obvious and that they

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had to protect because traditionally

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people that go against certain you know

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organizations and agencies don't fare

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very well and they don't last very long

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they get murdered or they get mowed down

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so it's necessarily so a lot of it is

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kept secret but I wonder if there's not

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more reason for the occult nature of

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this information is there something to

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the idea that a person needs to sort of

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go into the dark or into themselves in

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order to you know experienced some sort

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of initiation into this material and if

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it was just all laid out there and one

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didn't have to seek it out would it have

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as much meaning I think that's kind of

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open to debate but it has always been

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traditionally that you had to be

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initiated it's always been considered

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that the hidden esoteric story was not

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for the average person and it was

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basically reason because they wouldn't

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under

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stand it and I think you could have made

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that argument a couple of hundred years

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ago but today I don't think you really

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can i mean our technologies or ideas i

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mean the average person today is so much

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farther advanced in their knowledge and

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open to new ideas well and and can read

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and you know yeah you know are actually

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literate i mean there was you know a

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time when you know only the elite people

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were able to read and then usually only

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males so now you know most of us can

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read and most of us can you know seek

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out knowledge that might not be but I

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agreed there are people that either

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would not understand it or wouldn't be

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interested in understanding it it would

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you know that it's like some people kind

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of live on the surface and other people

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i think really want to dig and get to

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the heart of everything and i think in

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some ways that keeps things a little on

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the secret side the fact that you have

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you know you just have to dig a little

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bit to get to it in his you and i were

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talking earlier today about how many

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layers and layers there are two this

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type of information and it's sort of

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mind blowing and I have absolutely seen

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people lose their minds a who were

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steeped in this material and just you

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know started you know you pulling on a

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thread and pulling on a thread and you

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think you're getting somewhere and then

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suddenly you found yourself pulling on a

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whole new piece of thread but it seems

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like from what I've been able to and

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thank you for sending me your book this

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week by the way what I've been able to

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it's it's nice that you sort of been

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able to get your head around a big lot

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of this material and be comprehensive

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about putting it down so that we can

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kind of get it you know those of us who

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are sort of new to the information so

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it's it's it's really good i would

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suggest highly you

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at RJ's book the forbidden knowledge of

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Enoch and check it out it's it's really

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really interesting oh my goodness it's

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just about time almost for another break

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I guess we've got about a minute or so

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to go so aren't II wanted to give us out

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your website and tell us how we can get

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your book the book is available the

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easiest and quickest way to get would be

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to order from amazon com Barnes & Noble

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book civilian and just about any other

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at now I can also be ordered directly

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from the publisher que publishing and

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their website my regular website is kind

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of in the process of being rebuilt no I

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know you have a blog don't yet yeah I

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would recommend everybody to go to my

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spot.com yeah that's a great place to go

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to get information you can check the you

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know archives there for information that

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he's that RJ is put up in the past now

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we're going to take a quick break here

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we'll be back in just a couple of

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minutes we are talking to RJ pond

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raining and talking about the forbidden

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knowledge of Enoch so please stay right

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welcome back tonight region radio if

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you're just now joining us I'm your host

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Renee Barnett and we are talking tonight

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with rj von bruning he is and first-time

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author which is really exciting because

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he tackled a huge huge subject in his

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new book the forbidden knowledge of

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Enoch and we've been talking about you

612
00:33:57,500 --> 00:33:54,480
know sort of where this sprang up was it

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00:34:00,170 --> 00:33:57,510
in the ancient alien realm is it's

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something that's always been around and

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handed down you know generation to

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generation culture the culture and we

617
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were joking on the break you know MJ our

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producer who I always forget to mention

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MJ to during the showing and in every

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single time as soon as we go off the air

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i'm hitting myself I you know empty does

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such a wonderful job so I want to thank

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him for his good work but we were

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chatting I was chatting with RJ and an

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MJ r JM j and all the jj's were joining

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in we were talking about the sort of the

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history behind this and how these things

628
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have affected us in our society and my

629
00:34:50,300 --> 00:34:48,120
question during the break to rj was you

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know were these the guys these were the

631
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not only the kings but the kingmakers

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these royal bloodline families and their

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00:35:01,490 --> 00:34:58,500
connections who carried this knowledge

634
00:35:04,310 --> 00:35:01,500
and and what does that mean does it a

635
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has it had an effect on the way that the

636
00:35:11,330 --> 00:35:07,730
world is run RJ yes I think it does

637
00:35:14,570 --> 00:35:11,340
because believe it or not you can

638
00:35:18,710 --> 00:35:14,580
actually trace the origins of all of

639
00:35:22,910 --> 00:35:18,720
this and it there there's actually a

640
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place in time that you can point at it

641
00:35:30,650 --> 00:35:25,730
starts with the legendary school of

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Alexandria and especially the school

643
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that was housed within the library the

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it was known as the Alexandrian school

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of philosophy

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and most anybody who's ever studied

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history realizes that this was kind of

648
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an eclectic kind of school and library

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that it had people from all over the

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Empire that Alexander created you had

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Egyptian priests Jewish rabbis Aramaic

652
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teachers Greek philosophers so there was

653
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all kinds of different ideas coming

654
00:36:12,260 --> 00:36:08,820
around and being thought of been the

655
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:12,270
school of Alexandria actually developed

656
00:36:19,910 --> 00:36:15,570
Gnostic thought and Kabbalah ISM comes

657
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out of this ancient school and a number

658
00:36:25,010 --> 00:36:22,050
of other philosophies one of the big

659
00:36:28,190 --> 00:36:25,020
huge breakthroughs was that there was a

660
00:36:31,870 --> 00:36:28,200
theory developed there and it was

661
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advocated by one of the more famous

662
00:36:39,700 --> 00:36:36,030
Headmaster's known as flato and the idea

663
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:39,710
is is that the sacred writings of

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especially the Hebrews because they use

665
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the system of allegories and symbolism

666
00:36:52,700 --> 00:36:49,530
was probably the true source of all

667
00:36:57,980 --> 00:36:52,710
religious and philosophical doctrine and

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that the literal meaning was the literal

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meaning of the story was for the common

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person and then the desto tarek where

671
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the symbolic part of the story was only

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for the initiated and that's kind of the

673
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:12,870
origin of all of this and when the

674
00:37:18,260 --> 00:37:16,650
library was eventually destroyed it was

675
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the people that had learned this

676
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:20,550
information there that had gone and

677
00:37:26,290 --> 00:37:23,610
basically disappeared into society and

678
00:37:30,140 --> 00:37:26,300
became the little groups that we call

679
00:37:32,090 --> 00:37:30,150
esoteric or a secret societies would be

680
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:32,100
about fifteen hundred years ago and

681
00:37:37,940 --> 00:37:35,490
these eventually morph and evolve and

682
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:37,950
grew into the groups were all familiar

683
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:40,170
with today like the Masons or the

684
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Knights Templar the Cathars like you and

685
00:37:49,490 --> 00:37:46,170
I were speaking about earlier and dozens

686
00:37:50,540 --> 00:37:49,500
and dozens of other groups all centered

687
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around

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00:37:55,910 --> 00:37:53,610
this type of auth discussed O'Hara

689
00:37:58,640 --> 00:37:55,920
thought that has hidden knowledge and

690
00:38:01,640 --> 00:37:58,650
that's kind of the big one of the big

691
00:38:03,710 --> 00:38:01,650
secrets about this stuff is that most of

692
00:38:06,500 --> 00:38:03,720
this knowledge actually comes from the

693
00:38:08,090 --> 00:38:06,510
Library of Alexandria and that's one of

694
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the things they've been hiding and

695
00:38:15,170 --> 00:38:11,850
moving through history and there's a

696
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:15,180
good chance that there was an incredible

697
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:16,770
amounts of it for me we know there was

698
00:38:21,820 --> 00:38:18,450
incredible amounts of information there

699
00:38:25,490 --> 00:38:21,830
and if you had some of this information

700
00:38:27,260 --> 00:38:25,500
hundreds or thousands of years ago it

701
00:38:29,060 --> 00:38:27,270
would make a big difference on how you

702
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:29,070
could do things and influence things

703
00:38:33,410 --> 00:38:30,330
because it would put you ahead of

704
00:38:35,240 --> 00:38:33,420
everybody else especially medieval

705
00:38:38,630 --> 00:38:35,250
Europe where most everybody was

706
00:38:40,670 --> 00:38:38,640
illiterate and only the elites and only

707
00:38:46,610 --> 00:38:40,680
small little groups could actually

708
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:46,620
really well it's just you know a shame

709
00:38:53,240 --> 00:38:50,370
that that Library of Alexandria was lost

710
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:53,250
in the way that it was burned and oh my

711
00:38:59,510 --> 00:38:56,570
goodness I've always been so drawn to

712
00:39:02,540 --> 00:38:59,520
Alexandria and as you said there was

713
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:02,550
such a communion of thought there you

714
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:05,010
know different people coming with from

715
00:39:09,950 --> 00:39:06,690
different philosophies and it was just

716
00:39:12,500 --> 00:39:09,960
such a wonderful place it's just a such

717
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:12,510
a shame that it's lost to the world but

718
00:39:16,490 --> 00:39:14,610
i'm sure some of the one of the great

719
00:39:19,060 --> 00:39:16,500
things about the esoteric show us

720
00:39:22,310 --> 00:39:19,070
because they claim not all that was lost

721
00:39:23,540 --> 00:39:22,320
right that's what I'm that's what I was

722
00:39:27,620 --> 00:39:23,550
just getting ready to say is I'm sure

723
00:39:30,860 --> 00:39:27,630
not all was lost I'm sure people you

724
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:30,870
know have secreted stuff away I'm sure

725
00:39:35,240 --> 00:39:33,330
there's tons of stuff in the vatican

726
00:39:38,780 --> 00:39:35,250
library and the Vatican archives i

727
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:38,790
should say you know i know there's a lot

728
00:39:44,300 --> 00:39:41,490
of ancient texts and manuscripts that

729
00:39:48,410 --> 00:39:44,310
they hold that you know are not viewable

730
00:39:51,110 --> 00:39:48,420
by anyone outside of their inner inner

731
00:39:53,570 --> 00:39:51,120
inner circle so there's no telling what

732
00:39:58,130 --> 00:39:53,580
they might have as well as other you

733
00:40:01,370 --> 00:39:58,140
know private collectors and probably is

734
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:01,380
I've always felt you know families who

735
00:40:05,700 --> 00:40:03,410
pass down

736
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:05,710
you know from generation to generation

737
00:40:10,510 --> 00:40:08,210
information and you know materials and

738
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:10,520
texts and things like that I don't know

739
00:40:17,289 --> 00:40:15,530
about that happen yes what I definitely

740
00:40:20,230 --> 00:40:17,299
one of the most important things is

741
00:40:22,450 --> 00:40:20,240
probably overlooked is how so many

742
00:40:28,329 --> 00:40:22,460
things are passed down just through

743
00:40:30,069 --> 00:40:28,339
families yeah yeah absolutely and you

744
00:40:32,950 --> 00:40:30,079
know it's funny we going back to what

745
00:40:34,660 --> 00:40:32,960
you said earlier about you know how one

746
00:40:36,970 --> 00:40:34,670
of the reasons that it was kept secret

747
00:40:38,620 --> 00:40:36,980
was you know because they felt most

748
00:40:41,859 --> 00:40:38,630
people wouldn't understand it it wasn't

749
00:40:44,349 --> 00:40:41,869
for everyone and you know I remember

750
00:40:47,289 --> 00:40:44,359
when I was really beginning to delve

751
00:40:50,230 --> 00:40:47,299
into this information and even as you

752
00:40:53,260 --> 00:40:50,240
know late as maybe 10 years ago I that

753
00:40:55,690 --> 00:40:53,270
really bothered me that you know okay if

754
00:40:59,319 --> 00:40:55,700
this is the real deal if this is the

755
00:41:02,529 --> 00:40:59,329
real truth of everything then it should

756
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:02,539
be available to every person you know

757
00:41:08,740 --> 00:41:05,410
regardless of their you know

758
00:41:11,910 --> 00:41:08,750
socio-economic class or anything but I'm

759
00:41:15,490 --> 00:41:11,920
starting to understand that it's not

760
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:15,500
necessarily that reason for keeping a

761
00:41:20,710 --> 00:41:17,930
secret like we're holding it you know

762
00:41:24,010 --> 00:41:20,720
selfishly and jealously away from you

763
00:41:29,140 --> 00:41:24,020
but it's a for those who are ready for

764
00:41:33,210 --> 00:41:29,150
it is and then there's an historical

765
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:33,220
aspect that up until very recently too

766
00:41:39,180 --> 00:41:36,410
especially in Europe this type of

767
00:41:43,029 --> 00:41:39,190
information you were burned at the stake

768
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:43,039
especially during the Inquisition and it

769
00:41:47,230 --> 00:41:45,650
was driven underground that's one of the

770
00:41:50,980 --> 00:41:47,240
other reasons why there's so much

771
00:41:53,740 --> 00:41:50,990
secrecy about some of this stuff is it's

772
00:41:55,240 --> 00:41:53,750
kind of habit because at one time it

773
00:41:58,440 --> 00:41:55,250
would get you killed because it was

774
00:42:03,460 --> 00:41:58,450
considered heresy just to thinking it

775
00:42:05,740 --> 00:42:03,470
much less actually voice it right you

776
00:42:08,049 --> 00:42:05,750
know I'm like the chat room is still

777
00:42:12,819 --> 00:42:08,059
really especially active tonight and

778
00:42:16,660 --> 00:42:12,829
neutron is asking you what is your take

779
00:42:17,109 --> 00:42:16,670
on JJ her talks they lost keys of Enoch

780
00:42:24,910 --> 00:42:17,119
written

781
00:42:27,249 --> 00:42:24,920
a tease the knocking keys that's I do

782
00:42:31,839 --> 00:42:27,259
that is kind of a combination of a

783
00:42:35,319 --> 00:42:31,849
modern and ancient idea the knocking

784
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:35,329
keys are more recent phenomenon that

785
00:42:46,900 --> 00:42:41,170
come out of the oh I would say the

786
00:42:49,779 --> 00:42:46,910
mid-1600s um I'm trying to remember

787
00:42:59,049 --> 00:42:49,789
right off the top of my head of the two

788
00:43:01,749 --> 00:42:59,059
guys that were two guys oh that was a

789
00:43:04,269 --> 00:43:01,759
telly and john deere that's who they

790
00:43:07,329 --> 00:43:04,279
were in the late 16th century England on

791
00:43:11,609 --> 00:43:07,339
all of them claimed to be spirit mediums

792
00:43:13,870 --> 00:43:11,619
and magical investigators and they both

793
00:43:16,870 --> 00:43:13,880
created what they call the Enochian

794
00:43:26,359 --> 00:43:16,880
language or a noun Jellicle language

795
00:43:26,369 --> 00:43:43,940
this

796
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:47,370
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797
00:43:53,130 --> 00:43:49,810
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00:44:06,390 --> 00:44:02,770
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hey we're back again sorry about that

854
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bit a little technical difficulty out

855
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:30,520
there in Montana with rj i guess you

856
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:32,770
must be out in the in the Badlands are

857
00:47:39,690 --> 00:47:36,690
they well we do have a storm in the area

858
00:47:41,460 --> 00:47:39,700
well you know it's been thundering and

859
00:47:43,530 --> 00:47:41,470
lightning here during the whole show

860
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:43,540
which is I said at the beginning is very

861
00:47:48,990 --> 00:47:46,810
unusual for Southern California so I can

862
00:47:51,630 --> 00:47:49,000
imagine you get some good ones out that

863
00:47:53,340 --> 00:47:51,640
way yeah right up here the Rocky

864
00:47:54,930 --> 00:47:53,350
Mountains it's really nice sometimes

865
00:47:58,230 --> 00:47:54,940
yeah I got to tell you I've been

866
00:47:59,880 --> 00:47:58,240
resisting all night to ask you if you

867
00:48:02,550 --> 00:47:59,890
move to Montana become to become a

868
00:48:03,900 --> 00:48:02,560
dental floss tycoon but I figured you

869
00:48:05,610 --> 00:48:03,910
might not know what I was talking about

870
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:05,620
but I know some of my chance yeah in

871
00:48:11,750 --> 00:48:08,010
here that's a liar made reference

872
00:48:15,930 --> 00:48:11,760
actually it's Frank Zappa or for exam

873
00:48:18,990 --> 00:48:15,940
Iron Maiden a t-shirt for me oh really

874
00:48:21,270 --> 00:48:19,000
really yeah but anyway he was moving to

875
00:48:24,690 --> 00:48:21,280
Montana soon gonna be a dental floss

876
00:48:26,340 --> 00:48:24,700
hiking every time I talk to you that

877
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:26,350
song goes through my head that's so

878
00:48:32,550 --> 00:48:30,370
silly but anyhow we are talking about

879
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:32,560
the law that forbidden knowledge of

880
00:48:36,150 --> 00:48:34,210
Enoch and someone in the chat room is

881
00:48:38,940 --> 00:48:36,160
asking is your book out and how do they

882
00:48:41,430 --> 00:48:38,950
get it they must be late joining the

883
00:48:43,350 --> 00:48:41,440
group and yes it certainly is out you

884
00:48:45,630 --> 00:48:43,360
can order it from amazon you can order

885
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:45,640
it from barnes & noble you can go to

886
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:48,930
tape publishing which is RJ's publisher

887
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:52,810
just google forbidden knowledge of Enoch

888
00:48:57,150 --> 00:48:54,490
and it'll pop right up the author's name

889
00:48:59,460 --> 00:48:57,160
is r.j. bond bruning and we are talking

890
00:49:02,610 --> 00:48:59,470
to him right now and he's sharing some

891
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:02,620
of his a great research with us which is

892
00:49:09,750 --> 00:49:07,570
really really interesting so now you

893
00:49:13,290 --> 00:49:09,760
know you were in the middle of saying

894
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:13,300
something and if you want to take up

895
00:49:16,380 --> 00:49:14,890
where you left off fine if you want to

896
00:49:20,370 --> 00:49:16,390
get started again if we got thrown

897
00:49:23,550 --> 00:49:20,380
completely off you just say uh I can

898
00:49:25,770 --> 00:49:23,560
pick up right where i was referring back

899
00:49:28,350 --> 00:49:25,780
to the anaki and keys that the idea of

900
00:49:31,140 --> 00:49:28,360
the anaki and keys comes from Masonic

901
00:49:37,260 --> 00:49:33,810
it's actually in their writings that are

902
00:49:40,190 --> 00:49:37,270
easily available and the idea is is that

903
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:40,200
before the destruction of the flood

904
00:49:49,190 --> 00:49:44,290
Enoch had constructed a series of vaults

905
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:49,200
and that there was a set of special keys

906
00:49:56,190 --> 00:49:52,810
that she had to use to open the doors to

907
00:49:59,790 --> 00:49:56,200
go into these vaults and the Masonic

908
00:50:02,790 --> 00:49:59,800
legend hints at the idea that these keys

909
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:02,800
actually were some type of light type

910
00:50:08,810 --> 00:50:05,650
mechanism that you have to shine light

911
00:50:12,030 --> 00:50:08,820
into certain apertures to open each door

912
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:12,040
and I've always suspected that that's

913
00:50:17,670 --> 00:50:14,410
kind of where the idea of Enoch II and

914
00:50:20,340 --> 00:50:17,680
keys comes from its kind of fallen out

915
00:50:22,590 --> 00:50:20,350
of the Masonic legend and then people

916
00:50:25,130 --> 00:50:22,600
picked it up with the knocking magic

917
00:50:31,110 --> 00:50:25,140
idea that originated in the late 1600s

918
00:50:33,530 --> 00:50:31,120
with Edward Kelly and John B OIC and

919
00:50:37,410 --> 00:50:33,540
then just kind of melded those together

920
00:50:41,130 --> 00:50:37,420
yeah they kind of come together of the

921
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:41,140
actual text or anything no there is

922
00:50:48,030 --> 00:50:44,530
actually nothing really out there from

923
00:50:51,330 --> 00:50:48,040
ancient sources that actually says this

924
00:50:53,790 --> 00:50:51,340
stuff actually existed for like a key

925
00:50:59,130 --> 00:50:53,800
like that they all seem to be routed

926
00:51:02,490 --> 00:50:59,140
directly in legend hmm and and this

927
00:51:04,230 --> 00:51:02,500
legend of the keys and in the light

928
00:51:06,890 --> 00:51:04,240
going through the aperture that you were

929
00:51:11,010 --> 00:51:06,900
talking about you said that's a Masonic

930
00:51:14,100 --> 00:51:11,020
IDF yes that's one of their Masonic

931
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:14,110
legends you know mayor Barry we have

932
00:51:20,670 --> 00:51:17,890
tons and tons of legends and they used

933
00:51:23,490 --> 00:51:20,680
in predominantly for teaching try to

934
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:23,500
like for moral teachings and stuff much

935
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:28,450
like esab tables and that's kind of

936
00:51:31,620 --> 00:51:29,530
where I think people get a little

937
00:51:33,930 --> 00:51:31,630
confused with someone may hear some of

938
00:51:36,990 --> 00:51:33,940
the Masonic legends that a lot of them

939
00:51:40,500 --> 00:51:37,000
are true they're there they were put

940
00:51:42,870 --> 00:51:40,510
together for a different purpose simbang

941
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:42,880
an idea across yeah more and more of a

942
00:51:49,210 --> 00:51:44,330
symbolic or

943
00:51:50,890 --> 00:51:49,220
or ethical teaching hmm right that's one

944
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:50,900
of the other ways to that they kind of

945
00:51:57,100 --> 00:51:53,810
hide this is kind of hiding it within

946
00:51:59,350 --> 00:51:57,110
their own writings and if you're not

947
00:52:00,930 --> 00:51:59,360
aware of this if you're not really sure

948
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:00,940
what they're talking about it you just

949
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:04,850
get confused what we were talking

950
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:06,170
earlier I think it was on the break

951
00:52:13,210 --> 00:52:10,850
actually privately about you know the

952
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:13,220
people who have the power or people who

953
00:52:17,650 --> 00:52:15,290
have the knowledge you know kind of have

954
00:52:19,990 --> 00:52:17,660
the power it seems like you know these

955
00:52:24,060 --> 00:52:20,000
secret societies these aristocratic

956
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:24,070
families is royal bloodline families and

957
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:30,050
people like that and that if we were to

958
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:32,450
all have that knowledge it would sort of

959
00:52:37,270 --> 00:52:34,850
maybe take some of the sting out of what

960
00:52:43,540 --> 00:52:37,280
what it is that they know or steal some

961
00:52:46,270 --> 00:52:43,550
of their thunder and but how would that

962
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:46,280
work and is there anything I guess what

963
00:52:52,420 --> 00:52:48,410
I'm saying about this secret knowledge

964
00:52:56,670 --> 00:52:52,430
that gives an edge and and if so what is

965
00:52:59,860 --> 00:52:56,680
it is if the magic and bond is there

966
00:53:03,280 --> 00:52:59,870
actually when you get very deep within

967
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:03,290
to the esoteric knowledge you discover

968
00:53:09,030 --> 00:53:05,930
that one of the big secrets that they

969
00:53:12,370 --> 00:53:09,040
have and this is one may try to guard is

970
00:53:15,130 --> 00:53:12,380
basically the ancient astronaut idea

971
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:15,140
they think that there was a prior

972
00:53:20,470 --> 00:53:17,930
civilization on this planet and it was

973
00:53:22,750 --> 00:53:20,480
two tiered one part of it was highly

974
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:22,760
advanced probably more advanced than we

975
00:53:28,090 --> 00:53:25,130
are today and one part that was really

976
00:53:30,850 --> 00:53:28,100
primitive and that this civilization

977
00:53:33,670 --> 00:53:30,860
ended up destroying itself which then

978
00:53:37,030 --> 00:53:33,680
eventually gave rise to us and they

979
00:53:39,310 --> 00:53:37,040
think this all happened around 13,000

980
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:39,320
years ago that's where it gets a little

981
00:53:44,110 --> 00:53:42,050
wild and it kind of makes people go that

982
00:53:47,020 --> 00:53:44,120
sounds kind of crazy where's your

983
00:53:49,930 --> 00:53:47,030
evidence the truth is there's actually a

984
00:53:51,850 --> 00:53:49,940
lot of evidence to back it up the

985
00:53:54,610 --> 00:53:51,860
problem is is you don't know the whole

986
00:53:57,970 --> 00:53:54,620
backstory behind it because you've been

987
00:54:00,160 --> 00:53:57,980
taught an entirely different idea

988
00:54:04,570 --> 00:54:00,170
and this is where one of the conflicts

989
00:54:08,470 --> 00:54:04,580
between esoterics and traditionally the

990
00:54:11,590 --> 00:54:08,480
Catholic Church comes from is the sto

991
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:11,600
terex do not agree with the current

992
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:15,050
history we've all been taught I think

993
00:54:19,660 --> 00:54:17,450
it's wrong and the people that have

994
00:54:22,180 --> 00:54:19,670
always push that history was the church

995
00:54:24,910 --> 00:54:22,190
traditionally and that's one of the

996
00:54:27,609 --> 00:54:24,920
reasons they have a conflict with the

997
00:54:32,050 --> 00:54:27,619
Catholic Church is they have different

998
00:54:35,580 --> 00:54:32,060
argument hmmm and then you kind of have

999
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:35,590
this behind the scenes fighting going on

1000
00:54:41,170 --> 00:54:38,570
between these different groups and you

1001
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:41,180
know some of its philosophical some of

1002
00:54:46,150 --> 00:54:44,570
its more centered in reality but if you

1003
00:54:48,390 --> 00:54:46,160
think about it for a minute if that was

1004
00:54:51,910 --> 00:54:48,400
true if there was a prior civilization

1005
00:54:54,580 --> 00:54:51,920
and blew itself up I was technologically

1006
00:54:56,950 --> 00:54:54,590
advanced there's a good chance the

1007
00:54:59,920 --> 00:54:56,960
pieces of that technology would survive

1008
00:55:03,450 --> 00:54:59,930
to our own day and that people found

1009
00:55:05,890 --> 00:55:03,460
this technology over the years and then

1010
00:55:08,109 --> 00:55:05,900
it doesn't take much of a leap from

1011
00:55:10,900 --> 00:55:08,119
there to understand to go wow and tell

1012
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:10,910
the advent of electricity most people

1013
00:55:17,290 --> 00:55:12,290
would probably think of all this stuff

1014
00:55:22,510 --> 00:55:17,300
is magic or dangerous or possessed or

1015
00:55:24,670 --> 00:55:22,520
demonic and that's where I think one of

1016
00:55:27,370 --> 00:55:24,680
the big things for the esoteric and what

1017
00:55:29,250 --> 00:55:27,380
really kind of makes this incredibly

1018
00:55:32,650 --> 00:55:29,260
interesting if there's a real good

1019
00:55:35,590 --> 00:55:32,660
possibility that they have access or

1020
00:55:40,450 --> 00:55:35,600
they have found advanced technologies

1021
00:55:42,730 --> 00:55:40,460
from this prior civilization now if they

1022
00:55:45,670 --> 00:55:42,740
actually have found it prior to our own

1023
00:55:49,859 --> 00:55:45,680
atom of our own technology i will give

1024
00:55:52,240 --> 00:55:49,869
you quite an advantage over people I

1025
00:55:55,570 --> 00:55:52,250
always liked using the idea of thinking

1026
00:56:00,640 --> 00:55:55,580
well think of your own laptop computer

1027
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:00,650
and how user-friendly it is and somebody

1028
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:03,290
found it a thousand years ago even if

1029
00:56:07,660 --> 00:56:05,570
you couldn't read the language but you

1030
00:56:10,450 --> 00:56:07,670
managed to turn it on just the way it's

1031
00:56:11,380 --> 00:56:10,460
set up finding the spreadsheet program

1032
00:56:13,839 --> 00:56:11,390
or

1033
00:56:17,380 --> 00:56:13,849
thing like that would put you centuries

1034
00:56:19,500 --> 00:56:17,390
ahead of anybody else around you just

1035
00:56:24,130 --> 00:56:19,510
with one little piece of technology and

1036
00:56:26,019 --> 00:56:24,140
then trying to tell people that they

1037
00:56:29,259 --> 00:56:26,029
wouldn't even understand how it works so

1038
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:29,269
how would you explain it as magic divine

1039
00:56:37,660 --> 00:56:33,410
names like that and is there anything in

1040
00:56:41,849 --> 00:56:37,670
this anaki and information that does

1041
00:56:46,269 --> 00:56:41,859
pertain to technology by any chance or

1042
00:56:51,670 --> 00:56:46,279
does it refer to you know advanced

1043
00:56:54,279 --> 00:56:51,680
technologies actually the knock the be

1044
00:56:56,740 --> 00:56:54,289
knock himself and stuff in The Book of

1045
00:57:01,359 --> 00:56:56,750
Enoch he describes a number of things

1046
00:57:03,940 --> 00:57:01,369
that most researchers that aren't

1047
00:57:07,660 --> 00:57:03,950
theologians agree that sound like high

1048
00:57:10,930 --> 00:57:07,670
technology he describes you know seeing

1049
00:57:13,269 --> 00:57:10,940
being going down a corridor that's the

1050
00:57:15,220 --> 00:57:13,279
floor is like crystal and the walls are

1051
00:57:18,490 --> 00:57:15,230
like fire and light comes from the

1052
00:57:21,249 --> 00:57:18,500
ceiling you know that that just screams

1053
00:57:24,460 --> 00:57:21,259
of technology that screens of something

1054
00:57:26,980 --> 00:57:24,470
that's been manufactured um you know he

1055
00:57:30,039 --> 00:57:26,990
talks on being taken up away from the

1056
00:57:33,870 --> 00:57:30,049
earth and going up above towers and the

1057
00:57:36,609 --> 00:57:33,880
clouds up to heaven and he gives

1058
00:57:38,349 --> 00:57:36,619
descriptions as if you were reading it

1059
00:57:40,779 --> 00:57:38,359
you know like as if he was an astronaut

1060
00:57:42,730 --> 00:57:40,789
actually really had done it and that's

1061
00:57:45,970 --> 00:57:42,740
one of the big things to that's always

1062
00:57:47,410 --> 00:57:45,980
kind of made Enoch so intriguing is some

1063
00:57:49,329 --> 00:57:47,420
of the stories that are embedded within

1064
00:57:52,990 --> 00:57:49,339
the book you being on where he's

1065
00:57:55,349 --> 00:57:53,000
interacting with these beans and he

1066
00:57:59,440 --> 00:57:55,359
gives the impression that they're

1067
00:58:02,289 --> 00:57:59,450
permanently here but they're not coming

1068
00:58:04,690 --> 00:58:02,299
and going they that they stay here and

1069
00:58:13,180 --> 00:58:04,700
he's lucky enough to be able to interact

1070
00:58:15,309 --> 00:58:13,190
with hmm and is that you know are you

1071
00:58:18,460 --> 00:58:15,319
saying that okay he believes that there

1072
00:58:20,740 --> 00:58:18,470
they were here they're always here not

1073
00:58:22,809 --> 00:58:20,750
coming from someplace else and then we

1074
00:58:23,700 --> 00:58:22,819
you know are going and then returning

1075
00:58:27,660 --> 00:58:23,710
again

1076
00:58:31,230 --> 00:58:27,670
so is that something that you see as a

1077
00:58:35,030 --> 00:58:31,240
viable real possibility you know

1078
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:35,040
personally I do I think it solves a

1079
00:58:39,990 --> 00:58:38,170
humongous amount of problems I proposed

1080
00:58:45,390 --> 00:58:40,000
the idea kind of close to the end of my

1081
00:58:47,910 --> 00:58:45,400
book one of many on that the idea that

1082
00:58:50,099 --> 00:58:47,920
these beings the ones that our ancestors

1083
00:58:52,890 --> 00:58:50,109
called God's at today people call

1084
00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:52,900
ancient aliens or alien still running

1085
00:58:59,250 --> 00:58:55,570
around that they may have originally

1086
00:59:01,829 --> 00:58:59,260
been here from here earth that this is

1087
00:59:04,980 --> 00:59:01,839
their home that they originally evolved

1088
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:04,990
here developed here and most likely left

1089
00:59:12,060 --> 00:59:08,530
and then eventually came back at some

1090
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:12,070
later date and that's why we have we

1091
00:59:18,660 --> 00:59:15,010
don't have all this weird alien DNA and

1092
00:59:21,210 --> 00:59:18,670
stuff in us and how they were so easy to

1093
00:59:24,599 --> 00:59:21,220
manipulate everything I think it just

1094
00:59:26,730 --> 00:59:24,609
makes more logical sense and then

1095
00:59:29,359 --> 00:59:26,740
there's always been the idea and the

1096
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:29,369
legends kind of pushed around that

1097
00:59:34,980 --> 00:59:32,050
there's somebody living underground that

1098
00:59:37,140 --> 00:59:34,990
there's an ancient species another race

1099
00:59:39,450 --> 00:59:37,150
on this planet or another species on

1100
00:59:42,930 --> 00:59:39,460
this planet that stage hidden that's

1101
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:42,940
millions of years old and I think that

1102
00:59:47,490 --> 00:59:45,130
could possibly be related that they

1103
00:59:51,060 --> 00:59:47,500
could all be related you want there are

1104
00:59:55,250 --> 00:59:51,070
a lot of stories like that surrounding

1105
00:59:58,470 --> 00:59:55,260
the whole reptilian idea the sea just

1106
01:00:02,460 --> 00:59:58,480
one that Orient's me and I think it's

1107
01:00:05,010 --> 01:00:02,470
probably regroup and Arizona was the

1108
01:00:06,450 --> 01:00:05,020
Hopi talking about how they were taken

1109
01:00:09,750 --> 01:00:06,460
underground and that they lived

1110
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:09,760
underground with these beings missing

1111
01:00:17,130 --> 01:00:13,690
people went they mostly the Hopi refer

1112
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:17,140
to more is in more insectoid wedding is

1113
01:00:24,300 --> 01:00:20,170
that sometimes they're called ant people

1114
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:24,310
sometimes called the insect people and I

1115
01:00:29,130 --> 01:00:26,650
just find I've always found that story

1116
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:29,140
rather particular and then you as you

1117
01:00:33,810 --> 01:00:31,450
look around the world you see like in

1118
01:00:36,660 --> 01:00:33,820
Turkey you have entire cities that were

1119
01:00:37,530 --> 01:00:36,670
built underground and the question

1120
01:00:42,560 --> 01:00:37,540
always rises

1121
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:42,570
why why were they living underground if

1122
01:00:47,220 --> 01:00:45,730
the esoterics are correct the reason

1123
01:00:48,810 --> 01:00:47,230
they were living underground or they

1124
01:00:50,460 --> 01:00:48,820
went underground is because the

1125
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:50,470
civilization basically was in the

1126
01:00:55,070 --> 01:00:53,530
process of destroying itself and they

1127
01:01:00,030 --> 01:00:55,080
were going underground to survive

1128
01:01:03,270 --> 01:01:00,040
protection yeah hmm and then once the

1129
01:01:05,460 --> 01:01:03,280
conditions had improved basically our

1130
01:01:08,870 --> 01:01:05,470
ancestors were pushed back up to the

1131
01:01:13,340 --> 01:01:08,880
surface which fits with a number of

1132
01:01:18,270 --> 01:01:13,350
legends and stories that float around

1133
01:01:21,900 --> 01:01:18,280
yeah absolutely derp have from the chat

1134
01:01:26,190 --> 01:01:21,910
room says does rj think enoch was kind

1135
01:01:32,340 --> 01:01:26,200
of an ordained judge or accuser assigned

1136
01:01:36,060 --> 01:01:32,350
to expose and clarify no i don't think

1137
01:01:43,290 --> 01:01:36,070
so he's always portrayed in the legends

1138
01:01:47,820 --> 01:01:43,300
of of being unbelievably righteous in

1139
01:01:50,430 --> 01:01:47,830
all legends he's always connected to God

1140
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:50,440
himself and he's always given this

1141
01:01:57,510 --> 01:01:53,770
information and that the ideas is that

1142
01:02:00,060 --> 01:01:57,520
he somehow needs to protect it or later

1143
01:02:03,270 --> 01:02:00,070
generations I don't think he was a judge

1144
01:02:07,020 --> 01:02:03,280
or anything but there are references of

1145
01:02:11,820 --> 01:02:07,030
where he was in The Book of Enoch where

1146
01:02:14,310 --> 01:02:11,830
he was sent to condemn the fallen angels

1147
01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:14,320
equal to the destruction but basically

1148
01:02:17,460 --> 01:02:15,610
he was told to go tell them that they

1149
01:02:21,210 --> 01:02:17,470
were going to be destroyed along with

1150
01:02:24,030 --> 01:02:21,220
the humans so I think that might be

1151
01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:24,040
where the idea is coming from mmm that

1152
01:02:30,420 --> 01:02:26,650
no he's never ever really ever portrayed

1153
01:02:36,630 --> 01:02:30,430
as a judge or bringing a raft or

1154
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:36,640
anything yeah now we sort of talked

1155
01:02:42,780 --> 01:02:39,010
about you know the ancient alien idea

1156
01:02:45,810 --> 01:02:42,790
and sort of the underground dwellers you

1157
01:02:51,450 --> 01:02:45,820
know a civilization that that lives

1158
01:02:53,670 --> 01:02:51,460
underground but what else is tied in

1159
01:02:56,760 --> 01:02:53,680
now you know any time that I've had any

1160
01:03:00,150 --> 01:02:56,770
dealings in research with you know sort

1161
01:03:03,690 --> 01:03:00,160
of secret societies and and people of

1162
01:03:09,360 --> 01:03:03,700
that ilk it has been sort of the idea

1163
01:03:11,100 --> 01:03:09,370
that they were anti religion I know you

1164
01:03:13,020 --> 01:03:11,110
know we talked earlier today about this

1165
01:03:16,410 --> 01:03:13,030
being sort of a new religion or a new

1166
01:03:18,660 --> 01:03:16,420
way of thought are actually an old way

1167
01:03:23,670 --> 01:03:18,670
but something that you know we may just

1168
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:23,680
be learning about now and but when asked

1169
01:03:27,930 --> 01:03:25,450
directly to questioning you know what is

1170
01:03:31,140 --> 01:03:27,940
the you know the mandate or the raised

1171
01:03:34,050 --> 01:03:31,150
on debt you know of your secret society

1172
01:03:37,650 --> 01:03:34,060
and I keep hearing the same thing it's

1173
01:03:42,270 --> 01:03:37,660
to unify mankind under you know

1174
01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:42,280
spirituality not religion do you find

1175
01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:46,170
that to correspond with these teachings

1176
01:03:55,290 --> 01:03:50,770
in many ways um there does appear to be

1177
01:04:00,500 --> 01:03:55,300
a common idea that humanity can be

1178
01:04:03,090 --> 01:04:00,510
united and with one belief and one idea

1179
01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:03,100
that's I think where some of the

1180
01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:04,930
conflict comes with a number of these

1181
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:08,290
esoteric groups because people kind of

1182
01:04:14,970 --> 01:04:11,770
forget that like when I say esoteric

1183
01:04:16,410 --> 01:04:14,980
groups or esoteric religion it kind of

1184
01:04:18,420 --> 01:04:16,420
needs to be viewed the same way as like

1185
01:04:20,700 --> 01:04:18,430
referring to saying like Christianity

1186
01:04:22,560 --> 01:04:20,710
it's not a monolithic group there's

1187
01:04:24,900 --> 01:04:22,570
different sects there's different

1188
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:24,910
beliefs different groups and they don't

1189
01:04:32,340 --> 01:04:29,410
all get along and they make a picker and

1190
01:04:34,140 --> 01:04:32,350
they fight among themselves and I think

1191
01:04:36,570 --> 01:04:34,150
that's one of the things to that people

1192
01:04:39,930 --> 01:04:36,580
kind of forget and this with some of

1193
01:04:42,110 --> 01:04:39,940
these is that there's a little

1194
01:04:46,350 --> 01:04:42,120
background fighting going on with these

1195
01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:46,360
guys and in many ways they have similar

1196
01:04:52,380 --> 01:04:50,770
routes like Christianity because

1197
01:04:54,810 --> 01:04:52,390
Christianity one time was a mystery

1198
01:04:56,940 --> 01:04:54,820
religion or a mystery school that

1199
01:05:00,750 --> 01:04:56,950
basically went public and pushed

1200
01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:00,760
everybody else out of the way in fact

1201
01:05:05,220 --> 01:05:04,330
destroyed most of them and that's where

1202
01:05:09,270 --> 01:05:05,230
I think some of the

1203
01:05:11,370 --> 01:05:09,280
animosity comes from the group's is they

1204
01:05:15,030 --> 01:05:11,380
don't really I've never seen or heard

1205
01:05:17,490 --> 01:05:15,040
where they have a problem with the

1206
01:05:19,410 --> 01:05:17,500
belief but they have a problem with is

1207
01:05:23,460 --> 01:05:19,420
with the organization would like the

1208
01:05:26,940 --> 01:05:23,470
church and that seems to be an argument

1209
01:05:31,770 --> 01:05:26,950
and kind of a hatred that goes back all

1210
01:05:34,290 --> 01:05:31,780
the way to the beginning hmm yeah it's

1211
01:05:37,230 --> 01:05:34,300
the it's the organized religion that I

1212
01:05:40,590 --> 01:05:37,240
guess because I yeah I think you're

1213
01:05:45,120 --> 01:05:40,600
right I don't think there's really a

1214
01:05:47,130 --> 01:05:45,130
conflict with an individual's face but

1215
01:05:50,700 --> 01:05:47,140
when it right because most esoteric

1216
01:05:54,510 --> 01:05:50,710
groups view that each religion say

1217
01:05:58,740 --> 01:05:54,520
whether it be hinduism or Catholicism or

1218
01:06:02,460 --> 01:05:58,750
Judaism they kind of group all religious

1219
01:06:04,349 --> 01:06:02,470
together they think ian group has a part

1220
01:06:06,510 --> 01:06:04,359
of the story they have part of the

1221
01:06:08,690 --> 01:06:06,520
information and you can only know it all

1222
01:06:12,859 --> 01:06:08,700
when you bring all of them together oh

1223
01:06:15,359 --> 01:06:12,869
that's kind of the idea is that uh that

1224
01:06:17,940 --> 01:06:15,369
train is basically everybody had a

1225
01:06:21,030 --> 01:06:17,950
history book that was all torn up and we

1226
01:06:23,609 --> 01:06:21,040
each have a different chapter and you

1227
01:06:26,490 --> 01:06:23,619
know like the Bible is one chapter the

1228
01:06:28,950 --> 01:06:26,500
qur'an's another chapter the Hindu

1229
01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:28,960
writings are another one and that will

1230
01:06:33,270 --> 01:06:30,490
never ever going to figure it all out

1231
01:06:35,460 --> 01:06:33,280
until we bring them all together and see

1232
01:06:37,710 --> 01:06:35,470
how they connect together that's one of

1233
01:06:41,220 --> 01:06:37,720
the other ideas that just kind of floats

1234
01:06:44,280 --> 01:06:41,230
in the esoteric that there is the unity

1235
01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:44,290
that's there and that's kind of one of

1236
01:06:48,870 --> 01:06:46,330
the things helped to bring humanity

1237
01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:48,880
together to understand that we all have

1238
01:06:58,650 --> 01:06:52,570
the same ideas and we just kind of need

1239
01:07:00,420 --> 01:06:58,660
to realize that yeah yeah it it seems

1240
01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:00,430
like you know it's it's funny he said

1241
01:07:07,050 --> 01:07:03,010
they sort of group them all together but

1242
01:07:08,790 --> 01:07:07,060
you know it's in it you know you kind of

1243
01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:08,800
have to study them all to get the total

1244
01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:11,770
picture but also when you do study them

1245
01:07:16,530 --> 01:07:14,650
all and I'm talking about you know

1246
01:07:19,140 --> 01:07:16,540
almost all the all the major religions

1247
01:07:23,850 --> 01:07:19,150
certainly Judaism Christianity

1248
01:07:27,660 --> 01:07:23,860
aslam others even even Buddhism and

1249
01:07:31,380 --> 01:07:27,670
Hinduism they have sort of the same set

1250
01:07:34,350 --> 01:07:31,390
of values the same set of do's and

1251
01:07:37,050 --> 01:07:34,360
don'ts they're all very similar in their

1252
01:07:39,720 --> 01:07:37,060
teachings yes and that's one of the

1253
01:07:42,390 --> 01:07:39,730
secrets that the esoterics think you

1254
01:07:44,520 --> 01:07:42,400
have to look at that's a clue to show

1255
01:07:46,470 --> 01:07:44,530
you how they connect together but they

1256
01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:46,480
all have the similar teachings or they

1257
01:07:51,510 --> 01:07:48,850
all have the same wordings and that's

1258
01:07:53,250 --> 01:07:51,520
one of those little hints to go all okay

1259
01:07:56,730 --> 01:07:53,260
these things are connected they weren't

1260
01:07:59,250 --> 01:07:56,740
happening I they weren't isolated events

1261
01:08:01,880 --> 01:07:59,260
like we're traditionally taught but they

1262
01:08:05,970 --> 01:08:01,890
were actually much more interconnected

1263
01:08:07,860 --> 01:08:05,980
hmm and we've still got a conversation

1264
01:08:11,340 --> 01:08:07,870
going in the chat room about the you

1265
01:08:13,290 --> 01:08:11,350
know the fallen angels and their house

1266
01:08:15,480 --> 01:08:13,300
wants to know do you know why the

1267
01:08:21,300 --> 01:08:15,490
Creator sent the Archangels to deal

1268
01:08:23,400 --> 01:08:21,310
judgment and what was dealt um yes he

1269
01:08:25,860 --> 01:08:23,410
didn't end up sending the Archangels

1270
01:08:28,500 --> 01:08:25,870
Enoch says that there were seven sent

1271
01:08:34,040 --> 01:08:28,510
but he only names for which is the

1272
01:08:38,460 --> 01:08:34,050
traditional Raphael Gabriel Michael

1273
01:08:42,510 --> 01:08:38,470
except with the judgment that came from

1274
01:08:45,990 --> 01:08:42,520
that was the flood now what's really

1275
01:08:48,930 --> 01:08:46,000
unique is within the dream vision of

1276
01:08:52,680 --> 01:08:48,940
Enoch he gives a little different

1277
01:08:55,290 --> 01:08:52,690
description of the flood and one of the

1278
01:08:58,820 --> 01:08:55,300
big things is that I try to emphasize a

1279
01:09:02,660 --> 01:08:58,830
book does he speaks of an enclosure

1280
01:09:05,250 --> 01:09:02,670
which that just kind of leapt out at me

1281
01:09:07,860 --> 01:09:05,260
mm he gives the impression that there

1282
01:09:10,950 --> 01:09:07,870
was an enclosure and it was this

1283
01:09:15,210 --> 01:09:10,960
enclosure that was flooded and that all

1284
01:09:17,580 --> 01:09:15,220
the peoples were in there and that's one

1285
01:09:20,310 --> 01:09:17,590
of those nights little tidbits in the

1286
01:09:22,350 --> 01:09:20,320
esoteric where they kind of imply that

1287
01:09:23,580 --> 01:09:22,360
it wasn't a worldwide flood it was

1288
01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:23,590
something that happened in a more

1289
01:09:30,180 --> 01:09:28,570
localized area hmm us all our group it

1290
01:09:32,769 --> 01:09:30,190
just seemed like the world because that

1291
01:09:35,649 --> 01:09:32,779
was their world that was there a word

1292
01:09:39,010 --> 01:09:35,659
exactly right and that was the only

1293
01:09:42,789 --> 01:09:39,020
little group yeah oh that's really

1294
01:09:45,939 --> 01:09:42,799
interesting yeah you've mentioned a few

1295
01:09:49,029 --> 01:09:45,949
times dream vision and you talked about

1296
01:09:52,029 --> 01:09:49,039
you know this in you know in terms of

1297
01:09:54,399 --> 01:09:52,039
Enoch and it's dream vision when you

1298
01:09:58,390 --> 01:09:54,409
talk about it are you simply talking

1299
01:10:01,720 --> 01:09:58,400
about Enochs dream vision are you

1300
01:10:05,560 --> 01:10:01,730
talking about an idea of a dream vision

1301
01:10:08,859 --> 01:10:05,570
for know that i'm referring to enochs

1302
01:10:12,100 --> 01:10:08,869
dream vision specifically that is within

1303
01:10:16,959 --> 01:10:12,110
the book of Enochs between starting on

1304
01:10:23,350 --> 01:10:16,969
chapter 83 to chapter 94 anybody who

1305
01:10:25,450 --> 01:10:23,360
happens to have Enoch that is the entire

1306
01:10:27,970 --> 01:10:25,460
dream vision so when I refer to the

1307
01:10:31,410 --> 01:10:27,980
dream vision referring directly to what

1308
01:10:36,370 --> 01:10:31,420
he not broke I see and this is basically

1309
01:10:40,689 --> 01:10:36,380
his entire The Book of Enoch is his

1310
01:10:44,169 --> 01:10:40,699
dream vision no no dream is can actually

1311
01:10:47,549 --> 01:10:44,179
only consists of those few chapters in

1312
01:10:50,470 --> 01:10:47,559
the back between chapters 83 and 90

1313
01:10:53,410 --> 01:10:50,480
that's kind of a wild part about it and

1314
01:10:56,589 --> 01:10:53,420
I think that's why it's been missed it's

1315
01:10:59,890 --> 01:10:56,599
buried at the back of the book and it

1316
01:11:03,370 --> 01:10:59,900
seems kind of out of place when looked

1317
01:11:04,899 --> 01:11:03,380
at the rest of the book veena in fact it

1318
01:11:07,660 --> 01:11:04,909
doesn't even really seem like it should

1319
01:11:09,430 --> 01:11:07,670
be there but it is written in the same

1320
01:11:13,899 --> 01:11:09,440
style this does seem to have been

1321
01:11:16,870 --> 01:11:13,909
written by the same hand the wild part

1322
01:11:19,560 --> 01:11:16,880
about it is I said it's the symbolic

1323
01:11:23,879 --> 01:11:19,570
retelling and biblical story and that

1324
01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:23,889
symbolism is really kind of the key it

1325
01:11:28,959 --> 01:11:26,570
that's kind of how it was able to figure

1326
01:11:32,620 --> 01:11:28,969
a lot of this stuff out was stumbling

1327
01:11:36,569 --> 01:11:32,630
upon this story and seeing the symbol

1328
01:11:39,180 --> 01:11:36,579
isn't it and to give a quick example is

1329
01:11:42,279 --> 01:11:39,190
right in the beginning it gives the

1330
01:11:44,919 --> 01:11:42,289
basically the Cain and Abel Adam and Eve

1331
01:11:46,750 --> 01:11:44,929
story except it's described with bowls

1332
01:11:49,090 --> 01:11:46,760
that you see

1333
01:11:51,190 --> 01:11:49,100
pols coming forth from the earth a big

1334
01:11:54,730 --> 01:11:51,200
white one and then a I have her and

1335
01:11:57,730 --> 01:11:54,740
she's a red one and a black one and he

1336
01:12:00,220 --> 01:11:57,740
goes on it explains all this and he's

1337
01:12:04,150 --> 01:12:00,230
always referring to these first people

1338
01:12:06,280 --> 01:12:04,160
as bold and within the esoteric that's

1339
01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:06,290
kind of an important thing and that's

1340
01:12:14,320 --> 01:12:09,010
kind of the first clue because Bowl

1341
01:12:16,630 --> 01:12:14,330
becomes symbol for the first men once

1342
01:12:20,230 --> 01:12:16,640
that little connection is made then you

1343
01:12:23,230 --> 01:12:20,240
can apply it to say Greek mythology when

1344
01:12:26,980 --> 01:12:23,240
you have Zeus comes down and he seduces

1345
01:12:29,230 --> 01:12:26,990
some woman by turning into a bowl well

1346
01:12:31,270 --> 01:12:29,240
that doesn't really make sense but if

1347
01:12:33,010 --> 01:12:31,280
you know that the bowl represents the

1348
01:12:35,950 --> 01:12:33,020
first men and in what you have is a

1349
01:12:39,850 --> 01:12:35,960
change in the story Zeus comes down and

1350
01:12:42,190 --> 01:12:39,860
changed into one of the first men it's

1351
01:12:47,020 --> 01:12:42,200
also changes within the biblical story

1352
01:12:50,440 --> 01:12:47,030
too I use exodus as an example when

1353
01:12:52,690 --> 01:12:50,450
Moses goes up on the mountain and the

1354
01:12:58,900 --> 01:12:52,700
Israelites have Aaron make the golden

1355
01:13:02,580 --> 01:12:58,910
calf Moses and God come unglued and it

1356
01:13:05,950 --> 01:13:02,590
but the Bible is really fake on why a

1357
01:13:10,180 --> 01:13:05,960
golden calf and why did it caused such

1358
01:13:13,720 --> 01:13:10,190
an uproar if you go back to the Book of

1359
01:13:16,660 --> 01:13:13,730
Enoch the dream vision you realize the

1360
01:13:18,790 --> 01:13:16,670
bowl a calf represents the first minute

1361
01:13:23,410 --> 01:13:18,800
these are the first man who eventually

1362
01:13:28,720 --> 01:13:23,420
are corrupted by Lucifer and the fall of

1363
01:13:30,940 --> 01:13:28,730
his angels so that golden calf becomes a

1364
01:13:32,980 --> 01:13:30,950
representation but the first men that

1365
01:13:35,610 --> 01:13:32,990
became corrupted by the Fallen One

1366
01:13:39,250 --> 01:13:35,620
that's why it was such a great insult

1367
01:13:43,600 --> 01:13:39,260
hmm and that's kind of the big secret of

1368
01:13:46,060 --> 01:13:43,610
the esoteric it's a subtle change that

1369
01:13:49,210 --> 01:13:46,070
provides all kinds of little details and

1370
01:13:52,930 --> 01:13:49,220
insights that's suddenly changed the

1371
01:13:58,330 --> 01:13:52,940
story was it the representative of the

1372
01:14:00,430 --> 01:13:58,340
first man or the or rather the offspring

1373
01:14:03,970 --> 01:14:00,440
which I guess would be the same thing

1374
01:14:08,500 --> 01:14:03,980
the offspring of these two worlds are

1375
01:14:11,170 --> 01:14:08,510
these two different beings that

1376
01:14:14,470 --> 01:14:11,180
eventually come a little later as it all

1377
01:14:18,420 --> 01:14:14,480
but I mean as a you know the idea that

1378
01:14:22,330 --> 01:14:18,430
it's a golden calf and instead of a bowl

1379
01:14:28,780 --> 01:14:22,340
you know I don't know that it's yeah and

1380
01:14:33,880 --> 01:14:28,790
it's really subtle and a lot of little

1381
01:14:36,520 --> 01:14:33,890
intricacies are lost and it's kind of

1382
01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:36,530
put in general terms like this it is

1383
01:14:43,479 --> 01:14:40,010
kind of like trying to explain a whole

1384
01:14:46,660 --> 01:14:43,489
bunch of biblical text with just a few

1385
01:14:49,120 --> 01:14:46,670
turtle ideas yeah there's a lot of

1386
01:14:51,370 --> 01:14:49,130
little traditions and ideas that are

1387
01:14:54,550 --> 01:14:51,380
missing and that aren't necessarily

1388
01:14:56,110 --> 01:14:54,560
always written down there transmitted

1389
01:14:59,920 --> 01:14:56,120
again through Emily and through

1390
01:15:02,050 --> 01:14:59,930
tradition and that's one of the other

1391
01:15:05,800 --> 01:15:02,060
reasons why the esoteric can hide so

1392
01:15:08,800 --> 01:15:05,810
easily to write because if there's no

1393
01:15:11,800 --> 01:15:08,810
record except you know within their

1394
01:15:13,840 --> 01:15:11,810
families i guess it's it's my DC and

1395
01:15:15,939 --> 01:15:13,850
then they can carry their same story

1396
01:15:18,910 --> 01:15:15,949
around and their believe carrying the

1397
01:15:21,610 --> 01:15:18,920
same Bible that everybody else does mmm

1398
01:15:23,709 --> 01:15:21,620
they're only difference is they have a

1399
01:15:25,720 --> 01:15:23,719
different viewpoint and interpretation

1400
01:15:29,020 --> 01:15:25,730
of the symbolism that everybody else

1401
01:15:32,740 --> 01:15:29,030
just kind of ignored which is ample

1402
01:15:35,670 --> 01:15:32,750
going acted was a golden calf and that's

1403
01:15:39,220 --> 01:15:35,680
one of the little subtleties about this

1404
01:15:41,560 --> 01:15:39,230
belief and why the dream visions

1405
01:15:44,170 --> 01:15:41,570
important and it is the key to helping

1406
01:15:46,780 --> 01:15:44,180
to unlock this symbolism and this

1407
01:15:49,060 --> 01:15:46,790
eventually leads into the symbols that

1408
01:15:51,970 --> 01:15:49,070
we see all around us today like the

1409
01:15:56,560 --> 01:15:51,980
pyramid the all-seeing eye the wing

1410
01:15:58,630 --> 01:15:56,570
solar disk the cow Juicy's what was just

1411
01:16:00,280 --> 01:15:58,640
getting ready to to bring up the you

1412
01:16:02,800 --> 01:16:00,290
know the founding fathers who of course

1413
01:16:07,390 --> 01:16:02,810
you know used a lot of symbolism a lot

1414
01:16:11,169 --> 01:16:07,400
of more Freemasons and I suspect that

1415
01:16:13,300 --> 01:16:11,179
these ideas were what a number of them

1416
01:16:14,430 --> 01:16:13,310
were into you know Thomas Jefferson Ben

1417
01:16:17,340 --> 01:16:14,440
Franklin

1418
01:16:20,430 --> 01:16:17,350
you know certainly when this country was

1419
01:16:24,060 --> 01:16:20,440
founded they made it very clear I mean

1420
01:16:26,340 --> 01:16:24,070
it was spoken and written down that you

1421
01:16:28,320 --> 01:16:26,350
know this country is not founded on

1422
01:16:31,439 --> 01:16:28,330
Christianity on the principles of

1423
01:16:34,890 --> 01:16:31,449
Christianity and I IRA fact I would

1424
01:16:37,800 --> 01:16:34,900
argue that mostly ideas are Masonic they

1425
01:16:41,520 --> 01:16:37,810
come directly out of the lodges the idea

1426
01:16:45,380 --> 01:16:41,530
is a fraternity freedom liberty justice

1427
01:16:48,060 --> 01:16:45,390
equality those ideals come directly from

1428
01:16:50,580 --> 01:16:48,070
Freemasonry out of lodges and out of the

1429
01:16:54,360 --> 01:16:50,590
Enlightenment those were dangerous

1430
01:16:56,459 --> 01:16:54,370
subversive ideas in Europe why do not

1431
01:16:59,610 --> 01:16:56,469
you get you can see you can see why they

1432
01:17:01,229 --> 01:16:59,620
would be also if you don't mind me

1433
01:17:03,270 --> 01:17:01,239
throwing one more question to you from

1434
01:17:06,170 --> 01:17:03,280
the chat room this is great I love it

1435
01:17:10,020 --> 01:17:06,180
when people are so drawn to the material

1436
01:17:12,390 --> 01:17:10,030
der says Rene does rj draw any

1437
01:17:17,390 --> 01:17:12,400
correlation between enoch and the epic

1438
01:17:22,470 --> 01:17:17,400
of gilgamesh and I said I'm sure he does

1439
01:17:24,709 --> 01:17:22,480
actually I do use that in my book I use

1440
01:17:29,640 --> 01:17:24,719
the parts of the epic of gilgamesh

1441
01:17:34,140 --> 01:17:29,650
especially up we're build amesh becomes

1442
01:17:39,120 --> 01:17:34,150
friends with kikuchiyo the half-man

1443
01:17:44,120 --> 01:17:39,130
half-animal wild man if and show that

1444
01:17:48,510 --> 01:17:44,130
this is a possible connection into the

1445
01:17:50,790 --> 01:17:48,520
eventually into the jacob jishu story

1446
01:17:54,150 --> 01:17:50,800
that's contained within the book of

1447
01:17:57,570 --> 01:17:54,160
Genesis and that these are all talking

1448
01:17:59,670 --> 01:17:57,580
about the same series of events may be

1449
01:18:02,670 --> 01:17:59,680
in different places in a different

1450
01:18:05,340 --> 01:18:02,680
interpretation or culture but it's still

1451
01:18:09,720 --> 01:18:05,350
the same event but there's no anything

1452
01:18:13,380 --> 01:18:09,730
about yes the same story same story over

1453
01:18:14,729 --> 01:18:13,390
and over again yeah yeah epic Gilgamesh

1454
01:18:16,709 --> 01:18:14,739
tues a good one too because it also

1455
01:18:19,050 --> 01:18:16,719
references the flood which is so many

1456
01:18:22,500 --> 01:18:19,060
people point out so it is so very

1457
01:18:24,390 --> 01:18:22,510
similar to the biblical tradition which

1458
01:18:26,880 --> 01:18:24,400
is in the name as what's in the book of

1459
01:18:28,930 --> 01:18:26,890
enoch so you can start seeing that

1460
01:18:31,970 --> 01:18:28,940
there's a connect

1461
01:18:34,610 --> 01:18:31,980
through all of these and that's one of

1462
01:18:37,370 --> 01:18:34,620
the things for the big secrets of the

1463
01:18:40,820 --> 01:18:37,380
esoteric is these little connections and

1464
01:18:43,250 --> 01:18:40,830
that's one I in my arguments I would say

1465
01:18:46,130 --> 01:18:43,260
that that's probably the biggest thing

1466
01:18:48,920 --> 01:18:46,140
and how they hide is they're just they

1467
01:18:52,880 --> 01:18:48,930
just leave up to connections so you fill

1468
01:18:55,280 --> 01:18:52,890
in the gaps so they're not lying they're

1469
01:18:59,210 --> 01:18:55,290
not feeling bad they're not really doing

1470
01:19:01,700 --> 01:18:59,220
anything out of the ordinary they're

1471
01:19:04,280 --> 01:19:01,710
just kind of leaving connections out

1472
01:19:10,040 --> 01:19:04,290
people fill in the gaps their

1473
01:19:13,580 --> 01:19:10,050
imagination gets better and what do you

1474
01:19:17,960 --> 01:19:13,590
want people to walk away with after

1475
01:19:25,970 --> 01:19:17,970
reading your book besides a lot of it

1476
01:19:29,380 --> 01:19:25,980
earlier nation handing that deer that at

1477
01:19:32,480 --> 01:19:29,390
a certain level on this planet

1478
01:19:35,690 --> 01:19:32,490
especially within the ruling class that

1479
01:19:38,600 --> 01:19:35,700
there is a religious ideal that holds it

1480
01:19:41,300 --> 01:19:38,610
together and that's kind of one of the

1481
01:19:43,940 --> 01:19:41,310
things that we this regular people have

1482
01:19:46,910 --> 01:19:43,950
been up against that there's a very

1483
01:19:49,910 --> 01:19:46,920
organized religious ideal that's kept

1484
01:19:56,020 --> 01:19:49,920
hidden from us and it appears to give

1485
01:20:00,020 --> 01:19:56,030
the ruling party's power it has

1486
01:20:02,360 --> 01:20:00,030
everything to do with a book of Enoch in

1487
01:20:07,550 --> 01:20:02,370
the symbolism and how it all connects

1488
01:20:11,410 --> 01:20:07,560
together so you feel that the Book of

1489
01:20:16,280 --> 01:20:11,420
Enoch is it is at the heart of it all

1490
01:20:20,300 --> 01:20:16,290
it's basically it unlocks it it's only

1491
01:20:22,280 --> 01:20:20,310
one aspect but it's it's it is the dream

1492
01:20:24,730 --> 01:20:22,290
vision the symbolism and the dream

1493
01:20:27,680 --> 01:20:24,740
vision and seeing how it's related to

1494
01:20:30,800 --> 01:20:27,690
other cultures other traditions and

1495
01:20:34,670 --> 01:20:30,810
eventually into artifacts and the

1496
01:20:38,120 --> 01:20:34,680
symbolisms can I have to see the whole

1497
01:20:41,390 --> 01:20:38,130
connection once you see the connection

1498
01:20:44,620 --> 01:20:41,400
it's almost impossible to deny it

1499
01:20:49,459 --> 01:20:44,630
because it becomes kind of overwhelming

1500
01:20:52,669 --> 01:20:49,469
and it will kind of rattle your cage a

1501
01:20:58,040 --> 01:20:52,679
little because it'll make you think in

1502
01:20:59,899 --> 01:20:58,050
ways you're not normally talk to that

1503
01:21:03,530 --> 01:20:59,909
everything that you think you might know

1504
01:21:06,110 --> 01:21:03,540
might be wrong you know what I find kind

1505
01:21:09,200 --> 01:21:06,120
of found and exploring you know these

1506
01:21:11,149 --> 01:21:09,210
kinds of ideas is that there are certain

1507
01:21:13,640 --> 01:21:11,159
things that you know that we've been

1508
01:21:15,740 --> 01:21:13,650
taught in certain programming that we've

1509
01:21:17,300 --> 01:21:15,750
been subject to especial of the sin

1510
01:21:21,560 --> 01:21:17,310
though in the Western world are you know

1511
01:21:25,640 --> 01:21:21,570
kind of subject to the same stories in a

1512
01:21:31,010 --> 01:21:25,650
way and certain buzz words that you know

1513
01:21:33,770 --> 01:21:31,020
or i should say explosive words that you

1514
01:21:37,100 --> 01:21:33,780
know throw up fear and that sort of

1515
01:21:39,200 --> 01:21:37,110
thing we start talking about Lucifer and

1516
01:21:41,660 --> 01:21:39,210
things like that we've been taught oh my

1517
01:21:44,450 --> 01:21:41,670
gosh you know shy away from that that's

1518
01:21:47,120 --> 01:21:44,460
you know but really there's much much

1519
01:21:50,209 --> 01:21:47,130
more behind these stories and there's a

1520
01:21:53,570 --> 01:21:50,219
reason why some of these words and

1521
01:21:55,280 --> 01:21:53,580
references are such triggers for us or

1522
01:21:57,410 --> 01:21:55,290
at least it seems that way to me and

1523
01:22:01,189 --> 01:21:57,420
it's for a purpose is to keep us from

1524
01:22:03,080 --> 01:22:01,199
digging yes it is and that's one of the

1525
01:22:05,780 --> 01:22:03,090
things getting kind of jumping back

1526
01:22:08,330 --> 01:22:05,790
joining the conflict that the esoterics

1527
01:22:10,399 --> 01:22:08,340
kind of have with the church is with

1528
01:22:12,530 --> 01:22:10,409
that they have a problem with that type

1529
01:22:16,899 --> 01:22:12,540
of programming but at the same time they

1530
01:22:21,320 --> 01:22:16,909
kind of use it themselves and that

1531
01:22:25,310 --> 01:22:21,330
certain ideas that and this has been

1532
01:22:28,820 --> 01:22:25,320
presented before that things like Satan

1533
01:22:30,950 --> 01:22:28,830
or Lucifer may not be the bad guy we

1534
01:22:32,840 --> 01:22:30,960
were all taught he was from an H an

1535
01:22:36,020 --> 01:22:32,850
astronaut perspective that he may have

1536
01:22:37,729 --> 01:22:36,030
been beneficial to humanity and that's

1537
01:22:40,160 --> 01:22:37,739
kind of one of the things that the

1538
01:22:43,640 --> 01:22:40,170
esoteric kind of lean on and point out

1539
01:22:46,850 --> 01:22:43,650
and their beliefs too is is that some of

1540
01:22:49,250 --> 01:22:46,860
this we've been kind of not really told

1541
01:22:53,209 --> 01:22:49,260
the truth or that the stories a lot more

1542
01:22:55,250 --> 01:22:53,219
complex and not so black and white yeah

1543
01:22:58,450 --> 01:22:55,260
but there's things like today we

1544
01:23:03,140 --> 01:22:58,460
called politics and little subtleties

1545
01:23:07,610 --> 01:23:03,150
involved that and it may not be so black

1546
01:23:11,030 --> 01:23:07,620
boy it's funny to go ah today I was

1547
01:23:14,270 --> 01:23:11,040
about listening to NPR national public

1548
01:23:17,200 --> 01:23:14,280
radio in the car and I just got in i

1549
01:23:20,180 --> 01:23:17,210
didn't even hear the full story but

1550
01:23:22,490 --> 01:23:20,190
someone was there and I they were

1551
01:23:25,340 --> 01:23:22,500
Chinese and they were talking about

1552
01:23:29,360 --> 01:23:25,350
their grandfather it was very very old

1553
01:23:32,150 --> 01:23:29,370
and you know a staunch believer I guess

1554
01:23:36,080 --> 01:23:32,160
in communism or more more socialism I

1555
01:23:39,590 --> 01:23:36,090
guess and he said that her grandfather

1556
01:23:43,760 --> 01:23:39,600
used to always say religion is the tool

1557
01:23:46,000 --> 01:23:43,770
of emperors and I thought how true you

1558
01:23:48,950 --> 01:23:46,010
know I may not agree with what he's into

1559
01:23:52,090 --> 01:23:48,960
you know the old man but I certainly

1560
01:23:54,910 --> 01:23:52,100
agree with what he said about dad oh

1561
01:23:59,330 --> 01:23:54,920
yeah I would agree one hundred percent

1562
01:24:00,860 --> 01:23:59,340
and I usually just go look at the

1563
01:24:04,880 --> 01:24:00,870
history of the Catholic Church the last

1564
01:24:06,560 --> 01:24:04,890
fifteen hundred years and because that's

1565
01:24:08,570 --> 01:24:06,570
really accessible to everybody in the

1566
01:24:11,690 --> 01:24:08,580
Western world and see how they ruled

1567
01:24:14,000 --> 01:24:11,700
with an iron hand see how they wiped out

1568
01:24:16,010 --> 01:24:14,010
peoples and beliefs and stuff because

1569
01:24:21,830 --> 01:24:16,020
you thought differently area did

1570
01:24:25,430 --> 01:24:21,840
something differently and that's always

1571
01:24:31,030 --> 01:24:25,440
been used as a tool I mean it's just a

1572
01:24:34,040 --> 01:24:31,040
fact of human history and society yeah

1573
01:24:36,140 --> 01:24:34,050
absolutely and in really no matter which

1574
01:24:39,920 --> 01:24:36,150
side of the fence that you're on because

1575
01:24:42,590 --> 01:24:39,930
the people that you know are proponents

1576
01:24:48,500 --> 01:24:42,600
of organized religion you know like the

1577
01:24:53,630 --> 01:24:48,510
Roman Church or whatever they use the as

1578
01:24:56,030 --> 01:24:53,640
a tool their teachings but then I guess

1579
01:24:59,570 --> 01:24:56,040
in a way what we're talking about these

1580
01:25:02,510 --> 01:24:59,580
esoteric teachings are used much in the

1581
01:25:05,180 --> 01:25:02,520
same way by these families and these

1582
01:25:08,930 --> 01:25:05,190
other people that are sort of you know

1583
01:25:12,290 --> 01:25:08,940
in charge of the world yeah so

1584
01:25:13,729 --> 01:25:12,300
like everybody sort of coops stuff you

1585
01:25:17,930 --> 01:25:13,739
know for their own purposes it seems

1586
01:25:20,630 --> 01:25:17,940
like yeah and I think that's pretty much

1587
01:25:23,439 --> 01:25:20,640
true the other thing that I always find

1588
01:25:28,160 --> 01:25:23,449
interesting answers at the higher

1589
01:25:31,300 --> 01:25:28,170
echelons of the esoteric belief a lot of

1590
01:25:34,880 --> 01:25:31,310
these individuals believe that these

1591
01:25:38,900 --> 01:25:34,890
so-called gods as our ancestor call them

1592
01:25:41,209 --> 01:25:38,910
are still around and that they still

1593
01:25:44,450 --> 01:25:41,219
have some type of influence or contact

1594
01:25:46,939 --> 01:25:44,460
or something is still going on behind

1595
01:25:50,900 --> 01:25:46,949
the scenes away from everybody's prying

1596
01:25:54,729 --> 01:25:50,910
eyes and I find that interesting to go

1597
01:25:58,330 --> 01:25:54,739
Wow could there be a connection between

1598
01:26:01,580 --> 01:25:58,340
this ancient information the modern UFO

1599
01:26:04,280 --> 01:26:01,590
phenomenon and these secret societies

1600
01:26:08,450 --> 01:26:04,290
are they all connected in this way are

1601
01:26:09,709 --> 01:26:08,460
they all working together and a lot of

1602
01:26:13,220 --> 01:26:09,719
people have been pointing in that

1603
01:26:15,860 --> 01:26:13,230
direction and I think the esoterics

1604
01:26:20,510 --> 01:26:15,870
might be onto something on that I'm not

1605
01:26:23,450 --> 01:26:20,520
quite sure exactly what it is yet mmm it

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01:26:26,150 --> 01:26:23,460
is an interesting thought and may become

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01:26:29,780 --> 01:26:26,160
a subject of another book oh wow that

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01:26:34,220 --> 01:26:29,790
would be great that would be great you

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01:26:38,209 --> 01:26:34,230
know I I wanted to ask you about

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01:26:41,180 --> 01:26:38,219
something about is there any information

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01:26:42,500 --> 01:26:41,190
that's revealed in there or talked about

1612
01:26:46,459 --> 01:26:42,510
that reversing you talked about

1613
01:26:48,500 --> 01:26:46,469
different you know uses of light and and

1614
01:26:53,900 --> 01:26:48,510
things are there other things that speak

1615
01:26:57,400 --> 01:26:53,910
about energy or anything like that that

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01:26:59,959 --> 01:26:57,410
people have been able to use to

1617
01:27:02,330 --> 01:26:59,969
literally harness power was there

1618
01:27:07,189 --> 01:27:02,340
anything like that or is it mostly just

1619
01:27:11,810 --> 01:27:07,199
about spiritual teachings um it was it's

1620
01:27:13,640 --> 01:27:11,820
more of looking at the dream vision I

1621
01:27:17,510 --> 01:27:13,650
guess you could say kind of a spiritual

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01:27:19,640 --> 01:27:17,520
but I try to take a more trading train

1623
01:27:22,640 --> 01:27:19,650
introduce you more into the esoteric

1624
01:27:22,940 --> 01:27:22,650
kind of viewpoint of it and i think the

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01:27:24,740 --> 01:27:22,950
easy

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01:27:26,450 --> 01:27:24,750
way to put that is is that the esoteric

1627
01:27:29,390 --> 01:27:26,460
spew these things not so much a

1628
01:27:35,810 --> 01:27:29,400
spiritual or religious they view it more

1629
01:27:39,200 --> 01:27:35,820
as historical mmm they don't view the

1630
01:27:41,080 --> 01:27:39,210
Bible as a book of prophecy they view

1631
01:27:43,700 --> 01:27:41,090
the book the Bible is a book of history

1632
01:27:46,280 --> 01:27:43,710
they think all these events that are

1633
01:27:49,550 --> 01:27:46,290
recorded their have already happened and

1634
01:27:52,640 --> 01:27:49,560
that's how we have these books which

1635
01:27:54,230 --> 01:27:52,650
that just kind of makes a lot of people

1636
01:27:56,350 --> 01:27:54,240
just throw up their hands and don't know

1637
01:27:59,630 --> 01:27:56,360
I'll all except that in walk way and

1638
01:28:02,870 --> 01:27:59,640
that's what I think many times for

1639
01:28:06,280 --> 01:28:02,880
esoteric phase oh I'm not going to try

1640
01:28:12,700 --> 01:28:06,290
to introduce everybody to this idea

1641
01:28:15,980 --> 01:28:12,710
right right right well it's it's sure a

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01:28:17,720 --> 01:28:15,990
huge subject and it's it's really

1643
01:28:22,070 --> 01:28:17,730
interesting and thank you so much for

1644
01:28:24,290 --> 01:28:22,080
all your work in wading through all the

1645
01:28:27,170 --> 01:28:24,300
research and information to sort of

1646
01:28:29,840 --> 01:28:27,180
digest it for us and give it to us in a

1647
01:28:36,050 --> 01:28:29,850
way that where we don't have to do all

1648
01:28:40,130 --> 01:28:36,060
that work mighty nice of you well thank

1649
01:28:41,720 --> 01:28:40,140
you very much once again let's tell

1650
01:28:45,920 --> 01:28:41,730
everyone how they can get your book

1651
01:28:48,530 --> 01:28:45,930
forbidden knowledge of Enoch by RJ bond

1652
01:28:52,070 --> 01:28:48,540
brooding and that's vo in and then

1653
01:28:53,780 --> 01:28:52,080
capital B r ue ni ng so look it up i

1654
01:28:56,990 --> 01:28:53,790
think you can get it on Amazon you can

1655
01:28:59,450 --> 01:28:57,000
get into barnes and noble you can buy an

1656
01:29:03,200 --> 01:28:59,460
e-book you can get can you get a hard

1657
01:29:06,050 --> 01:29:03,210
copy right it's only in soft back and

1658
01:29:07,790 --> 01:29:06,060
our paperback and digital copy right now

1659
01:29:09,290 --> 01:29:07,800
right I mean actually I didn't mean the

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01:29:11,840 --> 01:29:09,300
heart that came in like an excellent

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01:29:13,550 --> 01:29:11,850
book book which I love ya I love an

1662
01:29:16,790 --> 01:29:13,560
actual real book that you can hold in

1663
01:29:18,950 --> 01:29:16,800
your hands I love those still oh do I

1664
01:29:22,520 --> 01:29:18,960
there's nothing very I love the

1665
01:29:26,450 --> 01:29:22,530
convenience of e-books but I tell you I

1666
01:29:28,070 --> 01:29:26,460
really love the all of the real books oh

1667
01:29:30,290 --> 01:29:28,080
my goodness the music's rolling we're

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01:29:30,950 --> 01:29:30,300
out of time thank you so much RJ Bob

1669
01:29:34,400 --> 01:29:30,960
rooting for

1670
01:29:37,459 --> 01:29:34,410
being a great guest tonight oh thank you

1671
01:29:39,560 --> 01:29:37,469
so much for having me sorry everybody

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01:29:41,720 --> 01:29:39,570
get our tape quick a good knowledge of